What Damer said about community could also be said about officialdom for they too can be victims of circumstance whenever decisions for the better do not influence policies for the worse. Gran was Annie Murphy but her dad died when she was 4 and her mother remarried John Johnston and went on to have a huge number of children - and as we research the family, we keep finding more. With its bad name, many people from Moorepark could not get jobs while those that could often disguised their addresses and, if they a they moved away because of its bad reputation Gradually, the decrease in services, coupled with, a by now high turnover of tenancie let house, led to the accretion of demoralised families coming into the scheme and all the stories about Moorparks good-for-nothing population seemed to be justified. My mother was Frances Leddy and she was born at 57 Hamilton Street in 1926. Like Pauline I also went to St. Margaret's and I also recall Susan's Shop. Wine Alley feels very European and I love it! Govan Memories | Reminiscences Writing on behalf of my auntie. We stayed in Elphinstone Street but after a fire we had to move to my grans house at 62 Golspie Street at the corner of Langlands Road, it was known as McCormick's close he being the owner of a hardware store. It arrived at a house in Liverpool and then left a short time later to head back to Glasgow, arriving about midnight. History [ edit] Socialites Karrueche Tran, left, and Christina Milian attend the Los Angeles premiere of Fox's 'Empire' at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome on January 6, 2015 in Hollywood, California. Alameda's getting a huge, splashy restaurant from S.F. fine dining vets The newlyweds got engaged in April 2018 after dating for three years and were forced to delay their wedding last April due to the coronavirus pandemic. You have to take the responsibility for some of that.''. Conecteaz-te. It was absolutely awesome growing up in Govan, lots of shops, such as; Galbraiths, Dands Bobby's, David's butchers, BrotherSoft paper shop, modern book shop, and Woolworths, we had a great wee doctors surgery on Langlands Road, Peacocks bakery, Nicholls store and Amey's cafe. The jumps I remember were at the swing park at Harhill across from the steamie and at Greenfield where we jumped the middens and shelter and going along the wall (single brick width). I'm thinking I never whined at them again. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can It was followed by an undercover drugs team down the M8, onto the M74 and over the border into England. Owned by Harry Knop in the 40s. Komunitn organizcia. I was born in Neptune Street, Govan in 1947, my father was Paddy Kelly and my mother Annie, my elder brother was Dick and my younger brother Brian. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. alebo. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. [11], By the 16th century, extensive coal mine workings had been developed around Craigton and Drumoyne. Hi, I'm not from Govan though my grandparents, Janet (Nettie) and David Finlayson owned a newsagents in Neptune Street in the 1940s/1950s. Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. First, this fosters connectedness seen in social capital and enhanced trust in government and in fellow citizens. Also remember when we started school in 1943, we had to carry our gas masks with us. (was it Grant's????? Born 1945, 28 Craigton Road two up in the hole in the wall, I went to Greenfield Primary remember headmaster name a Mr Hutchinson, a Miss Burnside, miss Blackstock. No1seems2care. Clyde News. Now her daughter (my mother) is 92 years old and I am fascinated by the stories which her mother passed down to her and now to me. Lived in Georgia where our second daughter was born, and then onto Texas, and now living in California. 'The. Scottish Skier February 15, 2020 at 7:51 PM. Based on this, Govan's Cumbric language name has been reconstructed as *(G)uovan. Create New Account. Over the years the Wine Alley had been severely neglected by the council and in the 1980s like a lot of places in Britain people were faced with high unemployment, drug abuse and crime, it continued to get worse and the homes were in such a bad state due to continued council neglect and lack of investment that they were demolished by 1995 and the people scattered to the 4 corners of Govan and beyond.http://www.acumfaegovan.com Naturally the slum dwellers of Govan, who though it their right to have most of the new house in their own locality, were angry and outraged at their expectations being ignored by the authorities. Not Now. Vine Alley Bistro 13 reviews Claimed Wine Bars, Wine Tasting Classes Edit Closed 4:00 PM - 9:00 PM Hours updated 2 months ago See hours See all 31 photos Write a review Add photo Location & Hours 114 Market St Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Get directions Edit business info You Might Also Consider Sponsored iRock Karaoke Lounge 141 Great memories. I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. We had some chalk on us and we wrote on the outside of the lovely red tiles on the wall. Lifts were often out of order; maintenance of the blocks was negligible while the area surrounding the tower blocks was allowed to turn into a muddy, rubbish-strewn wasteland. [32][33] The shipbuilding operations became BAE Systems Marine, which subsequently became part of BVT Surface Fleet, a naval shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group, which became BAE Systems Surface Ships in 2009. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council "modernised" it and tried to reintroduce the original n. My dad was Boaby Rodgers he got knocked down and killed when I was 3 in 1964 and my mum was left a widow with 4 wee girls. Alley & Vine will be ready for outdoor and indoor dining once allowed, but until then, customers can order online or by phone for takeout and curbside pickup. I remember my mum and dad and telling me how Govan was full of works, tenements, shops and pubs and how it was a vibrant place, this was very different from 1970s Govan that I grew up in, instead it was like a town after the blitz, I remember large areas of spare ground where the tenements and shops once stood, I remember playing in the old derelict tenements and works and in the rubble of demolished tenements, in the old tenements in Orkney Street we pretended to pour pints in the old Albert Bar. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. He liked nothing better than tothrow empty drugs packets out of his window and watch a crowd of desperateaddicts scrambling for them. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. I remember the following; sitting on the kerb at the mouth of the close playing with the soft tar on the road in the summer with a stick and my mum using melted butter to get the stains of our clothes, playing peever with a shoe polish tin, making up little shows which we all performed in the high backs ,climbing over the pailings, and often getting our knees impaled on the sharp spikes at the top, playing balls against the wall singles and doubles too, climbing onto the steamie roof and jumping onto the pub roof dodging the barbed wire spikes, playing ropes singles and doublers, and swinging on the telephone wires above the low back steamie roof, Summertown Road steamie and baths. I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. Maureen Doyle was my name then. My paternal grandfather was an engine keeper for the Phoenix Copper Works, and lived on Brighton Street. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : - Sunny Govan Memories | Facebook She had 3 boys Alex, Willie and Robert. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. We would have concerts and the money raised would organise a trip to the seaside for the kids of the area. Sergeant Angus McIvor and constable Bob McDonald were the two cops who had bravely filmed the gang operating from one of the empty flats. Darners later thoughts on a solution to the schemes problems were that it could be found in Community Planning for, as he says, members of the underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances. My mother Josaphine Devlin and her brother Greg were born Drumoyan Street Govan. 123m New Cafe India Govan . I lived across from Fairfield shipyard and I saw ship being launched when l was about four, I saw Harry Lauder embark from a ship and he was the first person who told me I was a bonnie wee lass. www.abet.com Went back to show someone the building, but it was gone. or. and education and learning came into my thoughts. Old Photographs Govan Glasgow Scotland - YouTube Amenities, Comfort & Cleanliness 4/4. Worst of all were the problems relating to the 759 flats and maisonettes in the Hutchestown Area E phase at Crown Street. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. Marconi Electronic Systems and its Marconi Marine unit were sold to British Aerospace in 1999 to form BAE Systems. I might have served you in the shop in the early 70s as a teenager. Again, where were the democratic, caring authorities when the 1987-1990 Glasgow Housing Condition Survey found that in a third of the citys houses suffered from condensation, dampness and mould and did little about it? They were friendly and knowledgable, it was a great experience. I learned to play tennis in the Elder Park which stood by me for I played the game for the next 60 years wherever I landed. Many of the latter were too poor, ignorant and disorganised to remedy the situation themselves, and so the earliest community planners or social agencies necessarily undertook the first initiatives for planning and providing for people. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. In June 2004 the Scottish Parliaments Public Petition Committee heard presentations from Govan Community Council about the failure of local regeneration policies in housing, poverty and unemployment. Pauline Belkadi: Thanks for the name of the shop 'Bobby's'. Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. They were, however, very much a part of the physical landscape that became Renfrewshire. It would also mean long hours of up to 18 hours day in unpleasant conditions. Would love to hear from you. Somehow the government cannot understand that external improvements can only benefit any dilapidated area by not only improving its external image but also by giving the local residents a sense of Well-Being. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. Every month her and neighbours would make tablet, cakes, scones and stuff. Wine Alley Tims and Scheme Hooses - SeanMcDon JDK-8141210 : Very slow loading of JavaScript file with recent JDK Although we were all poor, I knew that I could go to any door, ask for a piece, and get it. "[13], By the early part of the 19th century, Govan was rapidly losing its rural appearance and assuming the character of a town with the development of new industries and factories, including Reid's Dye Works and Pollok's Silk Mill. Darner had two criticisms of the improvement programme. Life in wine alley I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : - Sunny Govan Memories | Facebook This striking omission harks directly back to Darners time in Moorepark where the community had no say at all in their right to a decent home, in a decent environment, and a decent standard of life.13, Private housing is at present being built on the site of the old Granary at Partick while across the river at Govans Graving Docks, the developing company Bishop Loch have been given permission to alter its original approved plan for the Docks of a hotel and 500 houses. [8] Govan is Baile a' Ghobhainn (the smith's town) in Scottish Gaelic. I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. Our young sister was married in St. Anthony's years later. Nothing but grateful for my early Govan years. Quickshift Tyre Services - - WorldPlaces I was the smallest and skinniest one there, there were about 10 of us up on the dyke, they're all shouting at me, so I shouts I'm just gettting ready. RM 2E6CW9C - Workers line the street and applaud the hearse carrying former trade union official Jimmy Reid as it is driven past the Govan shipyard in Glasgow, Scotland August 19, 2010. Glasgow Crime: Wine Alley and drug dealer Eddie Burnside Laurel Brook. Young Young Winey (Govan) (G51) (Moorpark) 'Republican Wine Alley' Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. I have memories of buying penny and thrupny canes there to make a bow 'n arrows. For Margaret Gibson - I saw that you lived in Kintra Street until 1960 and wondered if you knew my grandmother Mary McGill/Johnston who lived at 110 Kintra Street in 1956. Lesbian actress Raven-Symone showed off her high top fade and her unique backpack at the Los Angeles Premiere of Fox's 'Empire at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, California. Once the area had gained a bad reputation (through no fault of its own), this was picked up by Govans local newspaper, The Govan Press, who furthered the image in a relentlessly aggressive campaign against the inhabitants until even the authorities began to believe it too. Second, it encourage prospects for social inclusion by impioving living conditions and life changes while a third (indirect) factor is that, by working with authority, it can augment the personal development and enhanced confidence that participation can bring.9 Govan (/ v n / GUV-n; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland.It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick.Historically it was Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. We then moved to a cottage at 112 Golspie Street down the lane, I always remember walking home down the lane, at the bottom of the lane we had a very large wooden gate, which we had to open to get in. Janet Logan (Williamson) I remember your family. Pagini similare. I went about with Harry Bitters, Nick Shearer and John McLeod in the mad days of the early 70s. NGR Description Centred NS55416 65081. I was attending what was then known as Duns Academy when my father decided to emigrate to Canada. Does anyone remember the shop or have a picture of it in the background? At the time DS Jackson said: These two cops were the real heroes and were at high risk. There were two other sporting venues for local residents and workers located in the south of Govan (with no space available in the industrial northern area at the Clyde): White City Stadium and Albion Greyhound Stadium, both now entirely demolished. When I was a wee lassie of four living on Neptune Street in the early 50's I walked away down the street from our close and got lost. We all loved living there as Govan was such a great place and had everything you needed, especially four cinemas. Creeaz un cont nou. It was only a community concerted campaign, (which included a long rent strike) waged by the various groups of residents, that the Glasgow District Council agreed to re-house all of the remaining tenants. Thanks in advance :). At the time, it was the fifth largest burgh in Scotland and contained within its boundaries, the areas of Plantation, Cessnock, Ibrox, Craigton and Drumoyne. Would love to hear if anyone remembers the Wallace family! The lack of house building was not only an added threat to the existing shops and services but also to community life which was struggling just to survive because of the lack of houses. [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. My name is James Murray, my dad Edward Murray grew up in Govan. My Granny, Cassie Donaghey stayed at 9 Orkney Street, Govan where I went at weekends and for holidays (Yeah from Drumchapel). Glasgow Braendam Link, aims to support, empower and enable all those involved in the partnership to gain more control of their lives by encouraging self-belief, growth and development. When we moved to Nitshill in 1060, I realised how much I had loved Govan. I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. Rather than go on strike, which was the traditional form of industrial action, the union leadership of the yards decided to have a work-in and complete the orders that the shipyards had in place. Around 1963 we moved to Arden where I went St Louise Primary School. I was a deckhand on the TSS Shleldhall sewage ship that sailed down the Clyde every day Monday to Friday to the tail of the bank, there we discharged the load then made a circle before heading back up home. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. [9] It had also been parodied by the BBC Scotland television comedy series Rab C. Nesbitt, with Wine Alley and the wider Govan area the stated setting for the show, though episodes were seldom filmed there. [12], There is an oddity whereby part of eighteenth-century parish of Govan (which was in Lanarkshire) is counted as being within Renfrewshire. Conecteaz-te. I remember on Sunday mornings being taken with my sister, Elizabeth, on a No. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. It is now an industrial estate. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. The Burnside gang were found with 150,000 in heroin and a large sum in cash. For those who did move in, it was not a matter of them wanting to live in the area, it was more a case of people with little or no choice about where they could stay. See more of Sunny Govan Memories on Facebook. Her name was Mary Murray. It was like growing up in a wasteland! Interest. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. Men and Boys by Hugh Cavanagh. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. However, people striving to improve their existing environment have limited freedom to act independently. I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. A list of almost 3000 ships built at Govan has been collected in the "Clydebuilt Database". I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. 99m New Cafe India Govan . He thought that important questions are never asked because mistakes in the finish of the whole are not seen until it is too late. The following year in 1966, the yard was again reorganised as Fairfields and guaranteed by the government in response. Wine Alley, the newest wine tasting experience to open at Woodin Creek Village in Woodinville, WA, debuted with a ribbon cutting ceremony and grand opening event on February 18, 2022. It occurs in the buyers market where access to housing is based on the ability to pay, and it also takes place in the council allocation system where the disadvantaged are lumped together in sink housing schemes. By the early 80s, much of the place had acquired an air of dilapidation and neglect. Man will spend up to 40 years in prison for raping woman he - pennlive We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. I found this site by mistake while i was trying to find people that i used to hang around with in Govan, I lived in Rathlin Street, opposite the Elder picture house, my mum and dad were Mary and Eddie Mellon and brothers Paul and Ward. My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. Even having a "piece" thrown from the window was an adventure would it be "butter"and sugar or Jam what a treat! Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. Several hotel chains have moved in while both BBC Scotland and STV have their studio complexes there. Such developments benefit the aesthetic and connective appeal of the Govan area for future visitors. Following decades of decline, with existing residents experiencing prejudice and only those with little other choice willing to move to the area, Moorepark was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in the United Kingdom, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. Ther were many menswear shops such as Jackson the Tailor and John Collier. The estate was acquired in the 1870s by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company and the mansion house was demolished. There existed a hospital in the area, and as quasi-religious foundations were not taxed, it had never been assigned to a sheriffdom. In its turn, this attitude helped create the malignant tales about people who lived there as being nothing but thieves, layabouts and drunks. Readers comments: You are personally liable for the content of any comments you upload to this website, so please act responsibly. Log In. When he had gone, we used to draw pictures in the coal dust on the white sheet on our bed.