Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by WWFeldman, Oct 29, 2020. Looks like we found the co-owner of Wife Approved, LLC. There is a letter stating the request was denied because of an ongoing investigation. . The comments on this page have not been provided, reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any advertiser, and it is not an advertiser's responsibility to ensure posts and/or questions are answered. Wrong. The tower controller likely For everyone making your amazing judgment calls on the Henderson controller: He was wrong in what he did but I had to voice this opinion. N731NR (angrily): "I'm not ready to copy. I think by "Airforce" [sic] you're thinking of all those movies you've seen. The duration of aircraft registration certificates has been extended up to 7 years. N1NR answers back that "he's flying". There are "occupations" of the Seattle State Assembly. This was a blatant disregard of regulations after being told to exit the Class B. From available ATC communications, it appears this particular pilot either forgot to make the request, or thought he made the request to get permission. There are legal charges. Student then bought a old Grumen Float plane thinking he would used it to fly back and forth to his lake home. CTO (Control Tower Operator) with AS Degree in ATC. People get frustrated in the air just like they do in cars and dont get their license suspended. Sometimes ATC attitude causes the problems. He had to pass my father's exam before IP could sign off on him. I was really busy at the time and he took up much of my time and reduced the safe operation of the airspace. Pilot deviation is a serious incident, and there can be lots of different outcomes depending on the exact situation. Sometimes, when major airports are busy, they ban transitions through their airspace, in which case you have to either: - route around, under, or above the relevant airspace Is there an issue? Just like the American pilots did when they couldn't get runway 31 at JFK. This pilot came in over Lake Meade under the class B which requires no ATC clearance to operate an aircraft. Not a cool move on his part. I'm a commercial pilot and CFII. Unless there is an emergency, no person should operate an aircraft contrary to an ATC instruction. Watch how 731NR Decides to fly right into class bravo and not even care about it. He flew into the Bravo airspace without a clearance, argued with the controller when she repeatedly told him to exit the Bravo, and continued his flight through as if he owned the airspace. Without that you cannot enter class B airspace. Please provide this information by COB, on Friday July 17, 2020, or we will go with the last known requestor from MuckRock.com, who we are showing as Matthew Phelan. Wnt to the FBO called the ATC sup from the day before had him and the controller involved from the previous flight, made student apologize for his behavior requested they critique student radio skill (he always had a cigar stub in his mouth, refused to remove it). Controllers do not make up things to pick on pilots. ATC Audio: Negligent Pilot Argues With Air Traffic Controller, I love listening to air traffic control audio, Not Good: Boom Overture Left Without Engines, Factorydesigns Innovative New Narrow Body Business Class Seat, Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. Five Common Causes Of Pilot Deviation (And How To Avoid It) The aircraft, N731NR, is registered to "Wife Approved LLC." This will come out in time. The wheels of justice grind slowly but they do grind - Ken White (a lawyer and a good one). But you'd think that someone displaying this much attitude and disrespect for critical rules would have shown his true colors and been denied a license much earlier. Thank you, number as soon as IP returns will have him call. Get Alerts. This leads the pilot to tell ATC to clear him. My reliable bet is that sometime between approach switching the aircraft to tower and the time the phone number is read, the pilot gave the tower controller a sob story. He probably should have his certificate revoked. My local airport is RDU. They have your lives in their hands. How Much Does It Cost To Become A Flight Instructor? The other pilot had it right - he's a real a*&^. If you are on an IFR flight and told to maintain a certain altitude, deviating from that altitude beyond tolerances set by the regs qualifies as pilot deviation. Pilot deviation is when the actions of the pilot result in the violation of a Federal Aviation Regulation or a North American Aerospace Defense Command Air Defense Identification Zone tolerance. This is about aviation. This is a willful/intentional violation of FAR and ATC instructions. I can almost guarantee you that this clown had the certified letter from the local FSDO awaiting in his mailbox, still smoking by the time he arrived home. Entitled pilot violates airspace, argues with Air Traffic controller The first is to signal that the pilot is done speaking especially. Its ridiculous that youre allowed to take the control of a Cessna independently at 60-80 hours of learning. I've been given instructions that I don't agree with. It causes paperwork (at the very least) on both sides and is also distracting from other important duties. I'm a commercial pilot and CFII. Mistakes happen. Publicado el junio 1, 2022 por junio 1, 2022 por I'm the ATC supervisor in FSD is NxxxxR still owned by (bus name). The best way to ensure that you do not get in any trouble is to stay vigilant, follow the rules, and file a report if you know that an error has occurred on your behalf. The few concerns about behavior affected by incipient tumor or hypoxia bring back memories. The Original Donna: Class Bravo & Charlie airspace requires certain verbal permission to fly in/out/ and through it, but you have basic lack of understanding when it comes to the airspace system I fear. - hold until otherwise instructed You'd be surprised how many Pilots act like they are the only plane an ATC is working even tho she is nonstop talking sequencing Arrivals to one of the top 5 busiest airports in the USA!!! For those that don't want to read. Is the FAA After Your Ticket? - FLYING Magazine That's movie crap. N1NR answers back that "he's flying". WWFeldman Pre-takeoff checklist Joined: Nov 11, 2019 Messages: 107 Display name: WWFeldman I'm sure we all remember our favorite bravo buster. Sometimes they have multiple frequencies on the same station, so you might hear more than one controller. - attitude, attitude, attitude, and I'm not talking about the aircraft. But if it was just a misjudgment, and we all make those from time to time, the appropriate response would be to simply apologize to the Controller, then get out. What would the discussion be today if there had been a midair collision like the one in San Diego in 1979 with the PSA 727 and a Cessna? Pull that @$$holes license and give him a huge fine. There must be zero tolerance. Thank one every time you get where you're going. She is going to give him the number when he's ready. ALL pilots know you have to hear the magic words, Cleared into Brovo. N731NR vs Las Vegas Bravo! What not to say or do - YouTube The pilots is always in command, not the controller. Turns out he's a slumlord, "supplement" pill pusher, and owns a "wealth generation" company. a responsibility to operate safely and competently within the FARs regardless of the price of your plane. If he had a sick passenger he should have explained the situation to ATC better or at all. I just looked over the link you posted. 866.835.5322 (866-TELL-FAA)Contact Us, United States Department of Transportation, Aviation Safety Draft Documents Open for Comment, Airport Coronavirus Response Grant Program, Legislation & Policies, Regulations & Guidance, Certificated Remote Pilots including Commercial Operators, Recreational Flyers & Modeler Community-Based Organizations, Archived Quarterly Enforcement Reports (These reports date back to the first quarter of 1997. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. * For those reading this forum long after June 2020, this is a time where law enforcement organizations (LEOs) across the US are being told to stop killing minorities. That's no cause to kill him. As a pilot, pilot deviation is something that you should avoid at all costs when possible, but what does it mean? Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). When an aircraft is approaching your airspace and the destination is on the opposite side, it's obvious that they're going to need to descend at some point. Go get him FAA!!! I was working the ER In Jerusalem and this belligerent teen was being kept there for observation post head trauma. She points out that he was not cleared to be there and repeats her order. For everyone making your amazing judgment calls on the Henderson controller: When approach calls tower about a deviation, they may or may not give details. Pilot Deviations - IFR Magazine Learn more. Harrison Ford is an accomplished pilot that made the same sort of mistake that many Commercial ATP pilots have made setting up for the wrong runway or taxiway etc. Attached is the letter in response to your above mentioned FOIA request. As well as this, you might want to consider making a call to an aviation attorney before you call the number that you have been provided with. Id. N731NR Aircraft Registration - FlightAware Anarchists on the ground, anarchists in the air. I'm a Retired LAS Controller. from 7110.65 Reply IctrlPlanes Additional comment actions It was after the check ride was over that it was actually issued. Thank you.Respectfully,Geneva LaingManagement and Program Analyst, Management & Administrative Support Team, AJV-W640, Northwest Mountain Regional OfficeATO Western Service CenterResource Management Group2200 S. 216th St., 3rd Floor, 3N-458Des Moines, WA 98198Office: 206-231-3337Geneva.Laing@faa.gov, [Your new Mission Support Services Logo! Sincerely,Annjanette CumminsNational FOIA Coordinator for ANM, AAL & AWP RegionsFOIA Program Management Branch, AFN-400(206) 231-2034[AFN3_SignatureImage_2a]. Then you are free to call the tower on the landline when you land and find out why you were denied clearance or complain about poor services. 1NR, exit the Bravo immediately.Pilot: Ive been talking to you the whole time. Typically, as tower, I don't care about the details, I've got stuff to do. You can listen along to ATC at liveatc.net and search for RDU in the upper left. He let his situational awareness slip, not a good thing. ATC "OK, state reasons please". would argue at times. The few concerns about behavior affected by incipient tumor or hypoxia bring back memories. A pilot will be given priority in an emergency situation, and they will need to submit a report of this emergency within 48 hours to the manager of the ATC facility if this is requested of them. Doxing is not right. To do this, they will use the Brasher Notification Phraseology. PILOT DEVIATION REPORT (Continued) INSTRUCTIONS The FAA Form 8020-18 must be completed within 90 days of the notification of a pilot deviation on FAA Form 8020-17, "Preliminary Pilot Deviation Report." The FAA Form 8020-18 must be assigned the same incident report number as the corresponding FAA Form 8020-17. Penalties, possibly, but he claesrlrx requested class B and was blown off "Nobody gives a f*. often don't recognize their own issue. There's no stick up anyone's ass here just concerned people who want to ensure the people who trust us to get them to point B are safe. In aviation terms regarding "pilot deviation", the controller is telling the pilot that he is being reported, and there will be an investigation by the FAA. When you have 2 F-16s or 2 F-15s escorting you that should bring sense into your head faster than having the nerve to argue. All I do is shake my head and smile. The belligerent behavior of the pilot with the controller and the sound of his voice makes me wonder if this might have been suffering from mild hypoxia. If you do receive a brasher warning, you should know that you do not have to call the provided telephone straight away, and you are allowed to take some time to think about the situation that has occurred. OR he's actually the A that pilot b called him and in that case, break out the cheese grater and throw the AH over your knee. How reassuring and interesting your post is, Eldo. I know what he did was wrong but I understand his frustration. There is zero excuse for wasting ATC's time in a Class B in this age of airliners everywhere. Please inform me prior to conducting any service demanding fees.I would prefer the request filled electronically, by e-mail attachment if available or CD-ROM if not. Once I had to reroute a general aviation pilot around weather to miss other traffic and he would not do it, Finally I was told to Once I had to reroute a general aviation pilot around weather to miss other traffic and he would not do it, Finally I was told to ask him "are you refusing an air traffic control clearance?" Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. Visit a tracon JUST ONCE. She was far better to him than a lot of NY approach controllers are to good pilots on a good day (and I like NY approach, by the way). Caller - is he available, N731NR: "Vegas Approach, Centurion 731NR with you descending through 5700'"LAS: "1NR, Las Vegas Approach, Las Vegas altimeter, 29.88. Continuing into class Bravo airspace without a clearance and then flying right thru the active ILS approach to a major airport is a huge problem. 2021.4.14.1400. I dont know what will fix that. ). PDF NOTICE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION - Federal Aviation Administration Want the latest investigative and FOIA news? Thats the whole point of talking to you.ATC: You have to have a Bravo clearance. Looks like he was below 6000 the whole time. I fly in the busy Chicago airspace as a private pilot and the vast majority of Private pilots are as professional as the air transport pilots, and are often much less complacent in and around the class B and class C airspace. He refuses to leave airspace even though he never had clearance to fly through it, and he refuses to take down a number because hes flying., Hopefully an investigation is done and this guy loses his license. Either that or he's going to get some very long vectors around special use airspace. He did request a clearance. P.S. I, at times, if the weather is good enough, cancelled IFR..continuing on my own. To check up on N1NR 's claim that he requested clearance there was only one conversation between N1NR and ATC that was seven minutes prior. We are going to explain what pilot deviation is in this article, and how serious this violation can be for you. I'm the ATC supervisor in FSD is NxxxxR still Gotta love how times have changed FAA records for N731NR MuckRock I dont see any defense to his behavior. The controller states that the pilot needs clearance to be in Bravo and to have requested clearance. He's going to find it hard for anyone to swallow his excuses. I look forward to receiving your response to this request within 20 business days, as the statute requires. Even if the controller cleared him into Bravo, that's no place to question her. Gotta love how times have changed Dad was a FBO, Commercial, Instructor, Multi, Aerobatic, crop duster and Instrument. The requirements for us to enter Bravo airspace are spelled out with extreme clarity in the FARs; this one dickhead decided to ignore those requirements. Bravo airspace, like Ben said, is the airspace around major airports in the country. Washington, DC 20591 By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. He should AT LEAST be suspended, and frankly, given his behavior, I have no issue with his losing it. Your request is assigned to the office listed below: Federal Aviation Administration Contact: Amelia McGillWestern-Pacific Region (424) 405-7221Flight Standards Division, AWP-200777 S. Aviation Blvd.El Segundo, CA 90245. E